DUST Search - Announcement:Uprising 1.8 Known Issues

Kristoff Atruin wrote:

I'm 99.99% sure that these bugs are all from wrong values in a database, which means version control isn't really the problem. The problem is configuration management. Basically when they last fixed these problems someone whipped up a script to correct the values in production and then that script was never integrated into the standard build process. So then the next time someone makes a change and does what they're supposed to do they overwrite the previous fix with the "correct" values, as far as the deployment process is concerned.

The correct way to approach deployments in this kind of system is to have a set of scripts that can rebuild the static portion of your database from nothing, and a set of change scripts that do updates from the previous state (ie: update dropsuits set highslots = 1 where name = dragonfly). That change script gets put into a folder called 1.8, and then when you deploy you run a batch that executes every sql file in that folder. All this stuff gets stored in version control, so that at any point in time you can revert to any version configuration you've ever had.

Then as long as you follow the process of creating that file the guy doing the deployment can't screw it up. If something does go horribly wrong then they can go back and rebuild the whole thing from scratch with the correct values.

It isn't really something QA can catch if the configuration management is wonky. The values could be correct on their internal tests but wrong in production, and there isn't time to test every possible use case in the game during a deployment window.


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Greiv Rabbah KiLo. 15	Posted - 2014.08.10 13:41:00 - [1] - Quote Why has the 3 equip/2 low republic scout mk.0 been removed but over half a year later and imperial commandos are still stomping around with 3 weapons?!(LLS) The Minmatar continue to be fed **** sandwiches I see... When you have a balanced shield/armor race, and a race with neither shields nor armor... Making the dual-tank impervious to damage types dealt by the no tank creates an amarr-always-wins scenario, but on top of that leaving the armored to the teeth laser pew pewing death-marching heavy wstoreith 3 weapons and removing the only useful secial suit the no armor no shields trash bonuses broken roled nerfed speed nerfed damage slow hacking weak stabbing bad profile weak melee no-assassin-strike-left-in-the-im-very-generously-calling-this-a-game at the same time as having weapons filled out in the lp store for the super op god-commando and not for the broken as hell used-to-be-a-minja, there is a very broken thing here... And its called the Minmatar race. And when, oh devs when will I be able to fit a rust bucket with a Gatling autocannon and rep my races vehicles?! Like seriously do y'all ever have an in-office poll like "does the direction this games going make any sense at all for an mmo representative of planetary battles in new eden?" Obviously not because instead of filling out vehicles you take them away and instead of adding modules you remove and simplify. Did nobody ever tell you you have a working system for vehicle based battle?! Why are there no Minmatar/Amarr vehicles/turrets? This was a good demo until things started getting removed instead of finished. And the sad thing is everybody agrees that this game is a once-great that has been balance-batted to the point of any leveling or other advancement by players being useless. I for one leveled into an assassin class that was very stealthy one-hit kill or if spotted one hit death. That has been removed from the game and my levels are wasted as I have ridiculous amounts of sp wrapped up in a character nobody with a brain would level into, and still I can't even drive around in my own races car, proper anti-vehicle means are not established (and this is really pathetic!) I mean to start with fix vehicle collision damage THIS IS NONCANON!!! IN NEW EDEN VEHICLES MUST NOT DEAL DAMAGE WHEN COLLIDING WITH EACH OTHER OR STRUCTURES its the first thing you even learn in eve so start there. Proceed along the military path and the quests teach you to fight vehicles in new eden tactically. Modules like ABs MWDs tackling target-painting etc should be incorporated. If all lavs are used for is getting to the letter before minjas and the instant answer to a drop ship or tank is spend the whole game in swarms/forge/another tank... I mean there's not tactics, there's no variation... Its a tech demo. It shows us you can make VG tanks. WE KNEW THAT! The players need an actual game. Give them a serious game and you'll make so much money. Fix racial parity. Make a market. Introduce OCCs. Fix battle finder. Allow us to explore the planet sides. And maybe someday let us encounter sleeper drones among the ruins. If you even start moving in this direction player morale will spike and old players will return and ppl like me will try to start bringing new players in again. But honestly, nobody here thinks this is ever going to be anything more than a chat app with a combat simulator demo built-in
Greiv Rabbah KiLo. 15	Posted - 2014.08.10 13:52:00 - [2] - Quote XqNoTeKyas wrote: sorry for my english ,i'm spanish but in dust 514 i have several problems Sad : problems with ordering vehicles, sometimes the ship stop and not release the vehicle up after two minutes"I have videos but do not know how to send them", other problem is: shoot and the ammunition no is spent and causes no damage and other problem is:sometimes "lag" to all players of the battle and the players disappear,or move very fast,or we are in an area of GÇïGÇïthe screen wil really that are not...thx Big smile prooblems ship: http://youtu.be/h4Zcz6vIBI8 problems ammo and lag: http://youtu.be/o_eCEzp7CqQ and this is a one video view lag but no is my: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B4BglYSLLU&feature=youtu.be Those issues are most typically caused by running on the wrong server. Most other times you won't have enough lag to experience that. Oceania's down and will it be Europe or Japan that's next to go? If you're on american servers switch to Asia but if you're getting this on Asia, look to the now-defunct Oceania server for answers. Guess who's server they went to? Yours. And the lag that they bring with them is a sign of the end-times as when servers start shutting down, games almost never make a comeback. Hope you had fun. Lots of test data was gathered and lots of promises/hearts/dreams/kittens were smashed to bits in the process, but if youre a hard masochist come back in a year or so to do the same thing all over on PC
Greiv Rabbah KiLo. 15	Posted - 2014.08.10 13:58:00 - [3] - Quote rayakalj9 wrote: does the flaylock pistol classify as an missile weapon??.. because the minmatar medium assault bonus is not apply to the flaylock pistol Lol u ask if the flaylock is a weapon silly silly you the flaylock got intentionally backed over by the nerf 18-wheeler, which then shifted gears and drove back and forth over its remains. Check the dev blog for uprising 1.2 for details on the intentional death of flaylock and grenades(get this... Bc flaylocks were being used as weapons) flaylock is a flare gun. If you're trying to kill ppl with flares ur a super monster troll... We should squad up and flare gun ppl to death for lolz
Greiv Rabbah KiLo. 15	Posted - 2014.08.10 14:07:00 - [4] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: 2014.07.25 18:06 In the enemy redline with my python i turn tail and begin flying out. Just as i am about to exit enemy redline my python blows up and say i commited suicide. All with 3 seconds left on the timer Please fix. Not asking for any reimbursements of any kind i just want this fixed as i have lost millions of isk due to this bug This. As of yesterday redline deaths still occur with 6-8 seconds on timer.
Greiv Rabbah KiLo. 15	Posted - 2014.08.10 14:12:00 - [5] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Hi logi bro, something has changed that is making the dropships side guns kill its gunners. As you can imagine this is extremely frustrating for everyone involved (except maybe the guy getting shot at) this is happening in pubs. I'll gather more info for you and probably post it in a topic and link it here (unless you would prefer it here) I've noticed that it seems like the missiles are just detonating on the turret itself. Usually occurs when drifting to the gunners side while he fires. Eg, drifting right when right gunner is firing causes right gunner to explode and vomit suicide. When preforming head on strafing runs gunners are very liable to explode and commit suicide. If you could tell the manufacturer that these turrets are prone to explode and cause death I would really appreciate it Also this. Root cause(to make it easier to fix) sometimes gunners are ninja or other suits that can't withstand a missile. You line up a shot perfectly, ask your pilot to hold steady... And the instant you fire of course he jerks hard left making your missile bounce off the bay door. It hurts everyone, but 1.scout has put everyone that belongs in an assault suit now so squishy that those missiles now kill instead of maim. Overall, the turrets on drop ships are real jerky and this is I think the "correct" fix, but the real problem and solution are poor piloting and bad pilot to gunner communication
Greiv Rabbah KiLo. 15	Posted - 2014.08.10 14:15:00 - [6] - Quote exiled speed demon wrote: yea ccp theres a bug were a certain map were you can put an up link down on domination and the hack the objective under the ground i have only ever to be able to do it once and iv seen other people do it about 4 times i dont know if its a bug or a glitch but you can fall through the ground when spawning and i found on some maps you can use this to an advantage in some cases you just keep falling untill you suicide or the game ends thank you exiled out At least half the time I spawn in I start to drift below the map. Once I start moving is when I find out, Ami glitches and falling? Or am I rubberbanding back to ground level??? This is really quirky and BAD can it plz get fixed?
Greiv Rabbah KiLo. 15	Posted - 2014.08.10 14:17:00 - [7] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: Ninja Troll wrote: 3. The game notified me that someone was requesting help, but I did not have the nanite injector. Update: I've been informed that this bug has been around for a few months. Indeed, this bug has been around since at least 1.0, 14 May, 2013. There are few bugs with teeth as long as this one. Maybe some UI bugs but they show up less than this one. Lol I'll do ya one better, complaints about this can be found back on the eve forums from before the dust forums existed. This will NEVER be fixed
Greiv Rabbah KiLo. 15	Posted - 2014.08.10 14:20:00 - [8] - Quote Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: Bolt pistol does no damage at all past its effective range. I've been told it's absolute range as listed in the SDE is -1. When I select a bolt pistol (any of them) in protofits, the absolute range shows as infinity. Whatever the case, the bolt pistol does no damage at all past its effective range, and needs to be fixed. This has also been known to affect other railguns, as instead of tapering off in terms of damage, various railgun weapons just transform into a harmless blue flash
Greiv Rabbah KiLo. 15	Posted - 2014.08.10 14:24:00 - [9] - Quote Kristoff Atruin wrote: I'm 99.99% sure that these bugs are all from wrong values in a database, which means version control isn't really the problem. The problem is configuration management. Basically when they last fixed these problems someone whipped up a script to correct the values in production and then that script was never integrated into the standard build process. So then the next time someone makes a change and does what they're supposed to do they overwrite the previous fix with the "correct" values, as far as the deployment process is concerned. The correct way to approach deployments in this kind of system is to have a set of scripts that can rebuild the static portion of your database from nothing, and a set of change scripts that do updates from the previous state (ie: update dropsuits set highslots = 1 where name = dragonfly). That change script gets put into a folder called 1.8, and then when you deploy you run a batch that executes every sql file in that folder. All this stuff gets stored in version control, so that at any point in time you can revert to any version configuration you've ever had. Then as long as you follow the process of creating that file the guy doing the deployment can't screw it up. If something does go horribly wrong then they can go back and rebuild the whole thing from scratch with the correct values. It isn't really something QA can catch if the configuration management is wonky. The values could be correct on their internal tests but wrong in production, and there isn't time to test every possible use case in the game during a deployment window. This sounds like something the dust sde should be usable for. No?
Greiv Rabbah KiLo. 15	Posted - 2014.08.10 14:31:00 - [10] - Quote SponkSponkSponk wrote: Kristoff Atruin wrote: I'm 99.99% sure that these bugs are all from wrong values in a database, which means version control isn't really the problem. I think it's less like a database, and more like (static) property files, which should be much easier to keep under source control. You mean like coding your game in code? Let's not be silly. Although actually its been a long time since a game was such a simple glob of code. Actually the CATMA structure and the way the SDE is built up suggest that the values are likely held on a database, which is very logical considering the number of items attributes and other variables not only in dust or eve but combined between the two.